Maverick filmmaker
Ram Gopal Varmas last film Nishabd did not set the cash
registers ringing- but he is not looking back. He is fast
getting ready with two of the most ambitious projects of his
career- Ramu Ke Sholay and Sarkar 2. In an interview with
TWF correspondent Vickey Lalwani, he talks about both the
films and more .
You did many changes in the cast until you actually started
your Sholay?
Yes. But that happens. Once you get a germ of an idea to do
the film, it does not mean that you can start shooting next
month. I had been nursing the thought of making Sholay since
many years.
To begin with, you wanted Abhishek Bachchan in Veeru's
role?
Yes. But then I thought that how could I show Amitabh (who
plays Gabbar Singh) fight with Abhishek?
Why did your second choice Saif Ali Khan not happen?
I was supposed to start the film in a certain time period
when Saif had to be out of the country for some other work.
I didn't get into beyond a phone call with him. Once I knew
that he was not available, I moved on. Plus, the script was
different in those days. When Mr Bachchan fell ill, I made
some changes in the script about one month before we went
on the floors.
Did you make those changes to reduce Mr Bachchan's action
scenes?
No. It's just that the script kept evolving. And I must say
that I was amused during that period when people started saying
that my Sholay was shelved. Use the word 'shelved' only when
the film has gone on floors and then stopped.
How is the newcomer Prashant shaping up in Jai's role?
The very fact that I cast him is because I believe that he
is talented. As for how he has shaped up in Jai's role, I
think that I'll leave that for the viewers to decide.
Did you replace Katrina Kaif with Sushmita Sen in Radha's
role because of her English accent?
The Radha in my Sholay has more to speak than the Radha in
Ramesh Sippy's Sholay, but I didn't replace Katrina for her
English accent. I had spoken to Katrina on Sholay nearly two-and-half
years back. The change in script, which I explained earlier,
had Sushmita suiting the role more than Katrina.
Ajay Devgan plays Veeru's character which had a lot of
comic touch to it. Does Ajay suit that role?
The basic point is that how I interpret his role in the context
of the film. It is up to the writer and director to note an
actor's strengths and mould his role accordingly. Without
knowing what that sensibility is, it is premature to debate
whether Ajay can do comedy or not (pauses).
Go on...
Everybody has an opinion on my Sholay without knowing anything
about what I am making (smiles).
Sarkar was Godfather. Is Sarkar 2, Godfather 2?
Sarkar was Godfather, but Sarkar 2 is not Godfather 2.
Ramesh Sippy is upset with you for making Sholay. What
will you tell him if you bump into him in a party?
Aap asli hai, main naqli hoon.
We heard, the Delhi Court has issued a stay on the title
Ram Gopal Varma Ke Sholay and now wants you to take the title
Ramu Ka Gabbar Singh?
I really can't talk on this. The matter is subjudice.
Won't you be disappointed if you don't get the word 'Sholay'
in the title?
I won't be disappointed.
Even Jaya Bachchan and Hema Malini are not happy that you
are making Sholay. They made their displeasure evident on
Koffee with Karan?
Even Dharamji said that if Ramu doesn't do a good job, I'll
push Ramu off from a tank. Everybody is speculating. First
let them see my film and then say whatever they want to.
You think that Jaya should have told Amitabh not to act
in your Sholay if she doesn't like the fact that you remaking
it?
That's their family matter. Why should I have my take on that?
What makes you make Sholay?
In 70s, Ramesh Sippy epitomized the commercial cinema with
Sholay, which has been the most interesting film I have seen
in my life. I want to recapture that in today's times.
Some people also say that Ramu has gone crazy. A controversial
subject like Nishabd, now a remake of the greatest film of
Hindi cinema...
(Interrupts) It's okay. Even I say that a certain film-maker
has gone crazy if I don't like his film.
How did you think of casting Aishwarya Rai Bachchan in
Sarkar 2?
You will see Ash playing something that is very different
from what people expect of her. It's not a glamorous role
at all. Sarkar 2 is a very intense and rustic film.
Ash won't have any make-up?
Ash looks most beautiful when she is without make-up. See
her at home and you'll know what I mean. She was my first
choice for Sarkar 2.
Its' also said that you are obsessed with Bachchans?
Yes, I am obsessed with Bachchans. As a director, I love to
work with Amitabh and Abhishek. But let me tell you that I
had approached Ash for Sarkar 2 much before her relationship
with Abhishek intensified and became public.
What's happening to your collaboration with Pritish Nandy
on making films on sex?
It was an interesting idea at that point of time. Right now,
I am busy with other commitments. I don't know when we'll
start.
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